Do these people realize what they are doing? I don't think so. They went from being cable TV watching sheeple to sheeple holding signs outdoors.
First and foremost, most of these "tea parties" are protests about how the government is spending/wasting the money rather than a protest about the government taking it from them in the first place. They aren't calling for a repeal of the income tax (while also not advocating a replacement), nor are they calling for the end of the FED. Fools.
Aside from the fact that they are ideologically self-fucked, their methods and tactics are seriously flawed. Not just flawed, but completely, totally and utterly ineffective and so much so, that the only positive that can come from their efforts is perhaps getting a sun tan.
Protesting for one's rights or money is better viewed as BEGGING FOR RIGHTS/MONEY. That's correct. When you hit the streets with a sign, you are begging a entity (government) to give back to you what they've taken without your consent and most often by force. You are a beggar. You are not challenger of any kind. You hold a lower status.
Can anyone here educate me at all with a single instance in the history of Mankind where begging for rights actually succeeded? Where the ruling entity genuinely submitted to the people's demands for no other reason but the demands themselves? You know, none of this Gandhi crap where Britain was effectively collapsing and on the way out anyway. I mean genuine the-people-ask, the-government-complies. I don't think anyone here can. But many of you guys are very smart, so I'm hopeful I can be proved wrong and I can learn something.
It's true what they say, those with the guns, make the rules. Reminds me of one of best movie scenes of all time from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend...
...those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
You dig. "
I enjoy studying economics, history, the sciences. I realize there are certain truths to this world and there are certain things that are laws of nature and almost laws of human behavior/interaction. I wonder, what do these sign-waving people have in terms of negotiation power? Where is their leverage? Do they have anything at all? What do they bring to the table? What can they say or do that can demand at least a response from those they petition?
They don't have shit! Nothing. And like nothing, they will get nothing.
It's sad in a way. They have energy. They even have the quality of actually getting up off the couch and doing something. Unfortunately, they have no direction and are involved in a futile practice.
The great irony here is the very name of these events. "Tea Parties" ...HAHA! Do they realize that the Boston Tea Party was not a bunch of idiots begging and crying to their government masters? But that was a group of patriots who took actual physical action against the interests of those who oppressed them?
It makes me sick to my stomach to hear time and time again most people emphatically and dogmatically state that the only path, the only way, the right way, the best way, the moral way etc etc TO change things is through peaceful protest or peaceful-non-compliance.
What a load of shit.
Again, can anyone here cite a single instance where peaceful protest succeeded at achieving genuine change (for the real best interests of the people)? I don't think it has ever happened.
Is this public school and media indoctrination? Or are they just cowards and cannot call for what really needs to be done because it will be sedition or terrorism?
Reminds me of that saying that goes around here, "If voting actually worked, it would have been outlawed" ..there's much truth to that. You see, the moment you do something truly effective - they will murder you or imprison you. Or at least try to. If you protest out in the streets, if you run a website, if you get out the vote, if you preach and preach and you're A. Alive B. Not in prison, then you can rest assured that your methods are completely, totally and utterly ineffective at changing anything. You're safe because those in power are not threatened by you. It's that simple.
It's unbelievable how people cannot think straight. Before I begin on the next part, I will say this plainly. I believe, with complete certainty, that the foundation of America was a good thing and based on good principles. And that all the MEANS by which it was founded were right and just and still are to this day.
The founders of this nation did not start the revolution and move toward independence. They materialized it. It is something that grew for decades. During those many years, the founders and their predecessors tried every single means toward reform. They petitioned, they begged. They did not one day just up and decide to start shooting Redcoats. They tried it all. And it ALL FAILED. It failed like it always fails.
It always fails because the master or ruling entity has no reason whatsoever to negotiate or accommodate the weak. There's no incentive either. Today, the IRS has no incentive at all for working with the people on paying taxes. They don't need to think in those terms. They get the money regardless and by force. Likewise, socialism promotes sloth and rot because there's no incentive to excel. The money is coming regardless.
Take a good look at what the Federal government did to the peaceful Bonus Army! These people were not violent. These people had serious and just claims. They weren't even asking for their rights or to challenge the authority of the government! And take a good look at how the government dealt with that.
American history is full of these instances. But there are also instances of genuine reform and change. The Battle of Athens, Tennessee is a perfect example. A story the Federal government doesn't want you to know about. Might give you ideas!
How about the Chinese at Tienanmen Square? Most people have no clue about the extent of what happened there. The massive slaughter. That was the greatest display and the ultimate final defeat of peaceful protest. The Chinese are brave people. Even after a full day of being shot and bayoneted. Large numbers of Chinese would interlock arms and form a line to block the progress of the PLA, and the would still get shot to pieces. People who watched their fellow citizens die all day long continued in this path because they believed their cause was worth it. They believed that their own countrymen, the soldiers of the PLA, would eventually crack and breakdown at the sight of this relentless, completely passive peaceful resistance. You'd think that if you held your ground, and worked it to its logical conclusion, that the tyrants would be defeated since they are powerless without their people. If they kill everyone, they will have no one to rule. That if you accept the slaughter, if you take the slaps to the face and the beatings and continue, that the tyrant will be forced to realize that it doesn't work.
This is flawed for a number of reasons. The main reason is that it is based on an assumption that government primarily used fear as weapon. This method of accepting abuse in a show of defiance as a means to eliminate the fear-mechanism of government simply doesn't work because the government uses fear when they can, but when that fails they murder and they murder as many as they can until they succeed. Also, the notion that full unity can be achieved is MYTHICAL.
In every revolutionary movement in history, including America's, the patriots were a minority and "life goes on" regardless. There's no such thing as an end to humanity or society, and therefore, there is no such thing as a threat to "stop it all" in a unified idealistic mass non-compliance movement. Also, the brutality of even your own countrymen is always underestimated. This is nothing new. Absolutely horrific acts were committed during the American Revolution by the British and by the Patriots. Neighbors killed neighbors. There were also mass killings. People who were ethnically, culturally identical. Who are the same people, the same countrymen essentially slaughtered one another and the government never shows any restraint at all. There's no limit to what they will do.
In the end, the Chinese were slaughtered. Over and over and over. To prevent further unrest, the government pacified the people with false reforms and they fell for it. The U.S. government did the same thing many times in the 20th century. The civil rights legislation being one of them. If they refused to accept the BS reforms, and continued, the PLA would kill more until they break. And as I said before, the patriot/revolutionary is a minority figure. Always is. A guerrilla fighter never goes head to head. They've got numbers, you don't. Your ranks are precious. You do not have an endless stream of conscripts and cannon fodder.
It all comes down to this. For the average person, the only, and I mean, the ONLY effective method that exists is actual armed rebellion. Period. Nothing else works. If you are interested in changing things or fighting for liberty and freedom, there are two paths you can take. The first path is the revolutionary. In this path, you're literally shooting and killing taxmen, politicians, judges, government people, corporate leaders, bombing things, sabotage, attacking supporters of tyranny so forth and so on. Obviously, this is an extremely high risk path to take. You are literally putting you ass on the line. Give me liberty or give me death - except for real, not just a cool slogan.
The other path is non-active resistance. Doing everything in your power to evade taxes, to evade supporting the government, to undermine them as much as possible, to promote your ideas and lifestyle in contradiction to the will of the government.
That's all there is to it. There's nothing else. Other than submitting and being a SLAVE. Of the two options that have any chance of success, one is active, the other is not.
As I said above, I firmly believe everything the founders did was completely just. They did it for their liberty, and it founded the greatest nation of all time. Even in this tyranny, we all still benefit from their sacrifice. It's sad that people consider the last resort and final effective means for enacting change as barbarism or murder or unacceptable.
What the farmers did on April 19th, 1775 is celebrated. It's celebrated because their side ultimately won. But for their time, what they did was considered high treason. It's no different than a group of citizens today grabbing their assault rifles and ambushing or attacking a U.S. military or Police convoy en route to completing some type of liberty-stripping mission such as a firearm confiscation. No different at all. The punishment for such acts is death. It was the same back then.
That is the ultimate hypocrisy and irony. That the very thing that created this nation is condemned as wrong, as unjust, as murderous. Yet, the government on a daily basis proves that it is willing to murder its citizens in order to impose its will on them. They are taking it to the extreme EVERY DAY. They are going all the way, all the time. But for us little slaves to even suggest such a thing, that is very naughty!
My suggestion for these "tea party" clowns is to put down the signs, go back home and to get a fucking clue. Their time is better spent adjusting their lifestyle to minimize their slave output to the government. Live a life that pays the least amount of tax possible, that avoids ever paying money to credit card companies. Better spent training with firearms. Better spent reading books, getting educated and educating young children with the truth. Exposing them to a classical education. Shielding them from being taken away from their parents (mentally) by this public education system that puts people into a matrix-like bubble.
If dropping the hammer on some scumbag Federal agent is not for you, and it's not for most people, there are other ways to resist. But ultimately, resistance is resistance - it isn't proactive change. It won't get it done. But holding off is certainly better than submitting, and is the best thing to do until an opening presents itself for genuine change.